RE: iSCSI: keys/parameter dependence

["Julian Satran" <Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com>]

I think we can leave it to individual keys and say only that dependencies and how to handle them are specified with keys.

Julo

pat_thaler@agilent.com Sent by: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu 06/01/2002 03:02 AM Please respond to pat_thaler

To:        John Hufferd/San Jose/IBM@IBMUS, mkrikis@yahoo.com         cc:        Mike.Donohoe@quantum.com, ips@ece.cmu.edu         Subject:        RE: iSCSI: keys/parameter dependence

John,

The part that might cause interoperability problems is different 
interpretations of which parameters action or acceptance is dependent on
others. For instance, does the sentence mean that InitialR2T should be sent
before FirstBurstSize and that FirstBurstSize doesn't need a response when 
the response to InitialR2T was Yes? 

If the sentence is left in, then it should be clarified by adding something 
such as:
"The definition of a key specifies whether the key is dependent on any other 
keys."
and if any of our current keys are dependent, add to those keys
"This key is dependent on <key names>."
If none are currently dependent, it would be reasonable to add to 11 "Currently,
no Login/Text Operational keys are dependent."

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hufferd [mailto:hufferd@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:38 PM
To: Martins Krikis
Cc: Mike Donohoe; 'ips@ece.cmu.edu'
Subject: Re: iSCSI: keys/parameter dependence



I do not see a problem with the Text, the previous key=value pairs are ones
that were in previous PDUs or key=value pairs that were scanned previous to
the current pair being scanned.  It is not clear that we have to write any
thing else to help people understand the concept of previous.  I think we
are straining at a nat here, and it is not worth the effort.

I do not see the problem.

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Martins Krikis <mkrikis@yahoo.com>@ece.cmu.edu on 05/31/2002 01:15:26 PM

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To:    Mike Donohoe <Mike.Donohoe@quantum.com>, "'ips@ece.cmu.edu'"
       <ips@ece.cmu.edu>
cc:
Subject:    Re: iSCSI: keys/parameter dependence



--- Mike Donohoe <Mike.Donohoe@quantum.com> wrote:

> From 12-95 4.3.3 pg 80 (and also in 4.4 pg 83):
>
> Whenever parameter action or acceptance are
> dependent on other parameters,
> the dependent parameters MUST be sent after the
> parameters on
> which they depend. If they are sent within the same
> command, a
> response for a parameter might imply responses for
> others.

I've been ignoring this paraghaph having been
convinced that there are no dependencies among
the operational parameters (those allowed to be
used in the operational stage of login), and that
any dependencies for security parameters would
be naturally observed by security protocols (i.e.,
first send me this, I'll send you that, now
send this, etc.).

However, I think you raised some good questions.
I think this paragraph should be removed.
Here are the reasons:

"(sent) after" isn't defined. It is unclear
whether "in higher numbered bytes within the
same PDU" qualifies as "after" or whether only
"in a PDU sent at a later time" would. It's
probably irrelevant, since due to the introduction
of the C-bit, parameters can be accumulated and
processed one "batch" at a time, without any
specific order within the "batch" and they will
quite likely not be processed PDU by PDU.
Therefore, the text about them being sent in
"the same command" is likely irrelevant, too,
since many implementation simply won't check that.

But what's really dangerous here is that an
implementation that perceives some parameters
as dependent may take the "might imply" text
as an endorsement for sending back less key=value
pairs than was received, which could make the
other side never commit due to missing responses.
We certainly don't want to allow for such a
non-interoperability in the specification.

So, could we please get rid of this whole
paragraph?

Thanks,

Martins Krikis, Intel Corp.

Disclaimer: these opinions are mine and may not
            be those of my employer.


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