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    RE: iSCSI: Negotiating a parameter more than once




    Marjorie,

    We discussed this repeatedly in the past and I recall that except the dissenting voice of Mark Bakke the agreement was that long-lived discovery sessions are not considered useful.

    Julo


    "KRUEGER,MARJORIE (HP-Roseville,ex1)" <marjorie_krueger@hp.com>
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    06/19/2002 09:31 PM
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    In the context of the two keys that are valid during FFP, neither of these suggested edits to that paragraph make sense.  Currently, there is no "negotiation" key that's valid in FFP, and the "declarative" keys that are valid, - SendTargets and MaxPDUDataLength *can* validly be repeated.  If an initiator opens a discovery session, it may keep it open, and it may repeat SendTargets requests as it deems necessary to keep it's target information up to date.  In the course of a SendTargets response, the target validly repeats certain keys.  The MaxPDUDataLength key can be sent by the initiator as often as the PMTU changes.
     
    Why not just delete this paragraph?  In the future if there are keys added that are valid during FFP, the RFC that specifies those keys can specify whether or not they can be "renegotiated".
     
    Marjorie Krueger
    Networked Storage Architecture
    Networked Storage Solutions Org.
    Hewlett-Packard

    -----Original Message-----
    From:
    THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com]
    Sent:
    Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:19 AM
    To:
    Julo-Actcom; ips@ece.cmu.edu
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    RE: iSCSI: Negotiating a parameter more than once

    Julian,
     
    If declarations should not be repeated (except for those where it is explicitly allowed), then it should be "negotiate or declare" because "negotiate" doesn't cover declarations. Alternatively, one could add an explicit definition that "Negotiate" includes both declarations and negotiations. Secondly, SendTargets is not a valid example for login as it is FFPO. I think the only parameter explicitly allowed to be duplicated during Login is TargetAddress (when returned as a result of a redirect). Furthermore, I can not find any explicit statement that SendTargets may be repeated during a FFP negotiation sequence. Only TargetName and TargetAddress have explicit text allowing them to be repeated (in Appendix B for both and in the description of redirection for LoginResponse for TargetAddress).
     
    Therefore, I suggest:
    For 4.3:
    Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to declare or negotiate a parameter more than once during login except for responses to specific keys that explicitly allow repeated key declarations (e.g. TargetAddress). If detected by the target this MUST result in a Login reject (initiator error). The initiator MUST drop the connection
     
    For 4.4:
    Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to declare or negotiate a parameter more than once during any negotiation sequence without an intervening reset except for responses to specific keys that explicitly allow repeated key declarations (e.g. TargetAddress). If detected by the target this MUST result in a Reject with a reason of "protocol error". The initiator MUST reset the negotiation as outlined above.

     
    Pat
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    Julo-Actcom [mailto:Julian_Satran@actcom.net.il]
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    Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:12 PM
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    ips@ece.cmu.edu
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    RE: iSCSI: Negotiating a parameter more than once

    Pat,
     
    4.3 and 4.4 cover two diferent phases.
    Parameters should not be negotiated or declared twice.
     
    I think that you refer to the responses to SendTargets - those contain more than an instance of the declarations and have to outlined.
     
    How about the following text in 4.4:
     

    Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to negotiate a parameter more than once during login except for responses to specific keys that explicitly allow repeated key declarations (e.g. SendTargets). If detected by the target this MUST result in a Login reject (initiator error). The initiator MUST drop the connection.

     

    and in 4.4:

     

    Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to negotiate a parameter more than once during any negotiation sequence without an intervening reset except for responses to specific keys that explicitly allow repeated key declarations. If detected by the target this MUST result in a Reject with a reason of "protocol error". The initiator MUST reset the negotiation as outlined above.

    Julo


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    • Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:18:43 -0600
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      Julian,

      The following text appears in 4.3 (page 78 just before 4.3.1):

      Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to negotiate a
      parameter more than once during login. If detected by the target this
      MUST result in a Login reject (initiator error). The initiator MUST
      drop the connection.

      and nearly the same text in 4.4 (page 85 near the end):

      Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to negotiate a
      parameter more than once during any negotiation sequence without an
      intervening reset. If detected by the target this MUST result in a
      Reject with a reason of "protocol error". The initiator MUST reset
      the negotiation as outlined above.

      This is confusing partly because "negotiate" seems to be generally used covering both negotiations and declarations and in some cases covering only negotiations. It isn't clear in which sense it is used. If the text above applies only to negotiated values, then it would be allowable to send parameters such as Initiator Name, SessionType, and MaxRecvDataSegmentLength over which doesn't seem to be a good idea. However, there are other declarative parameters which are sent multiple times - SendTargets where there are multiple targets or multiple addresses for a target requires sending the same parameter multiple times.

      Perhaps the text should be changed to:

      Neither the initiator nor the target should attempt to declare or negotiate a
      parameter other than TargetName, TargetAlias or TargetAddress more than once....

      Regards,
      Pat




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