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    RE: FW: FW: iSCSI: support value of ?




    If nobody speaks up I will terminate the use of ?  Julo
    ----- Forwarded by Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM on 20-02-02 18:34 -----
    "Robert D. Russell" <rdr@io.iol.unh.edu>

    20-02-02 17:52

           
            To:        Eddy Quicksall <Eddy_Quicksall@ivivity.com>
            cc:        "ips@ece. cmu. edu (E-mail)" <ips@ece.cmu.edu>, Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
            Subject:        RE: FW: FW: iSCSI: support value of ?

           


    Julian:

    I first brought up the subject of eliminating ? last December.
    Your reply is attached below.
    Perhaps this latest round of e-mail postings is enough to
    support my contention that ? should be eliminated??
    Thanks,
    Bob Russell

    >
    > From Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com  Sat Dec 22 01:57:36 2001
    > To: "Robert D. Russell" <rdr@io.iol.unh.edu>
    > Cc: ips@ece.cmu.edu
    > Subject: Re: iSCSI: enquiry key
    >
    > Bob,
    >
    > "Robert D. Russell" <rdr@io.iol.unh.edu> wrote on 20-12-2001 12:48:31:
    >
    > > Julian:
    > >
    > ... snip snip ...
    > >
    > >    My personal opinion is that "key=?" seems fairly useless -- if they
    > are
    > >    to operate correctly, both sides of a connection really have to know
    > the
    > >    values of all the keys at all times, and the rules for negotiation
    > make
    > >    it clear how and when these values change.  The only real "enquiry"
    > >    situation is when an initiator is attempting to discover targets, and
    > >    this is handled completely differently by the use of "SendTargets".
    > >    So when is there a use for either side to send "key=?".  Unless there
    > >    is a clear example where this is useful, we should eliminate it and
    > thus
    > >    remove another special case during parameter processing.
    > >
    > I am not sure that we have all the use scenarios to afford removing it



    On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Eddy Quicksall wrote:

    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Mallikarjun C. [mailto:cbm@rose.hp.com]
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:19 PM
    > To: Eddy Quicksall
    > Subject: Re: FW: FW: iSCSI: support value of ?
    >
    > Eddy,
    >
    > [ Sorry, I was off on long weekend. ]
    >
    > I tend to concur with you guys.  I do not see
    > a good usage scenario for "?" at the moment.
    > If we add in the support in MIB (if it isn't
    > there already) for querying the default capabilities
    > of an iSCSI entity, that should be completely
    > adequate to retire the "?" feature.
    >
    > Regards.
    > --
    > Mallikarjun
    >
    >
    > Mallikarjun Chadalapaka
    > Networked Storage Architecture
    > Network Storage Solutions Organization
    > MS 5668 Hewlett-Packard, Roseville.
    > cbm@rose.hp.com
    >
    >
    > Eddy Quicksall wrote:
    > >
    > > Mallikarjun,
    > >
    > > I am thinking that the value of the "?" syntax is very limited and appears
    > > to me as though it could be something that got left in from past needs.
    > >
    > > Do you think it has any use other than for vendor specifics? Can you give
    > me
    > > an example of where it would be needed?
    > >
    > > Eddy
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Santosh Rao [mailto:santoshr@cup.hp.com]

    > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:21 PM
    > > To: Eddy_Quicksall@ivivity.com
    > > Cc: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com; ips@ece.cmu.edu
    > > Subject: Re: FW: iSCSI: support value of ?
    > >
    > > Eddy,
    > >
    > > The '?' was originally proposed as a form of Enquiry analogous to
    > something
    > > like a PDISC for Fibre Channel ports.
    > >
    > > However, an Enquiry is more useful if it is a scheme to query the target
    > for
    > > all its supported capabilities, rather than its current value.
    > >
    > > A query for the current negotiated value was of some use in the older
    > login
    > > negotiation model wherein each side independently computed the login
    > > negotiation result. In such a model, the '?' could be used by initiators
    > to
    > > verify that its negotiation result was in-sync with that of the target.
    > >
    > > With the new login negotiation model, wherein, the target computes the
    > > result
    > > of the negotiation and sends it back to the initiator, the initiator knows
    > > the
    > > current negotiated values anyway. Hence, what is more useful is a scheme
    > to
    > > query the target for its supported capabilities.
    > >
    > > IMO, the '?' semantics should be modified to return the target's supported
    > > capabilities and not its current negotiatied value.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Santosh
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Well, given that the initiator should know everything (unless I missed
    > > > something below), what good is it other than for vendor specific?
    > > >
    > > > The reason I'm asking is because it seems silly to support it if it has
    > no
    > > > use.
    > > >
    > > > Can someone give me an example of where it is needed (other than for
    > > vendor
    > > > specific).
    > > >
    > > > Eddy
    > > >
    > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > From: Julian Satran [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]
    > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:30 PM
    > > > To: Eddy Quicksall
    > > > Subject: Re: FW: iSCSI: support value of ?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > The same value as Enquiry in SCSI.  I heard no other comment than yours.
    > > >
    > > > Julo
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Eddy Quicksall <Eddy_Quicksall@ivivity.com>
    > > > 14-02-02 19:51
    > > >
    > > >         To:        Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL
    > > >         cc:
    > > >         Subject:        FW: iSCSI: support value of ?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I didn't see any responses on this. Is the "?" syntax of any good other
    > > than
    > > > for vendor specific commands?
    > > >
    > > > Eddy
    > > >
    > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > From: Eddy Quicksall [mailto:Eddy_Quicksall@ivivity.com]
    > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:29 PM
    > > > To: ips@ece. cmu. edu (E-mail)
    > > > Subject: iSCSI: support value of ?
    > > >
    > > > Section 2.2.4 of draft 10 says:
    > > >
    > > > The value "?" with any key has the meaning of enquiry and should be
    > > > answered with the current value or "NotUnderstood".
    > > >
    > > > What good is this?
    > > >
    > > > You should already know the answer as a result of login or text
    > > > negotiations.
    > > >
    > > > Here are the only keys that can be used in FFP by the initiator:
    > > >
    > > > 1)       SendTargets - we already have defined behavior for that key and
    > > > those get the information anyway
    > > > 2)       TargetName - that is IO by initiator so he can't send that key
    > > > anyway. Also, he has to already know the target.
    > > > 3)       TargetAlias -  "this name MUST be communicated to the initiator
    > > > during a Login". So that is already known.
    > > > 4)       InitiatorAlias - the initiator should already know his alias
    > > > 5)       TargetAddress - the target is the only one that can send this
    > in
    > > a
    > > > response
    > > > 6)       MaxRecvPDULength - this should be known from the negotiations
    > > > 7)       Vendor Specific - Could this be the reason? If so, lets say
    > that
    > > so
    > > > we don't have to add a lot of silly code. Or, lets say that the response
    > > to
    > > > "?" can be "Reject" meaning that we don't support that syntax
    > (currently,
    > > > the definition of the "Reject value" does not fit this).
    > > >
    > > > Eddy
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    > > > given that the initiator should know everything (unless I missed =
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    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>T=
    > > > he reason
    > > > I&#8217;m asking is because it seems silly to support it if it has no =
    > > > use.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 =
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    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><=
    > > > ![if
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    > > > ></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 =
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    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>C=
    > > > an
    > > > someone give me an example of where it is needed (other than for vendor
    > > > specific).<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
    > > >
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    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><=
    > > > ![if =
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    > !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>=
    > > >
    > > >
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    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>E=
    > > > ddy<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
    > > >
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    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><=
    > > > ![if =
    > > >
    > !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>=
    > > >
    > > >
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    > > > face=3DTahoma><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
    > > > Message-----<br>
    > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Julian Satran
    > > > [mailto:Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com]<br>
    > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February =
    > > > 15, 2002
    > > > 12:30 PM<br>
    > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Eddy Quicksall<br>
    > > > <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: FW: iSCSI: =
    > > > support
    > > > value of ?</span></font></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
    > > > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =
    > > > !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal =
    > > > style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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    > > > style=3D'font-size:
    > > > 10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>The same value as Enquiry in
    > =
    > > > SCSI. &nbsp;I
    > > > heard no other comment than yours.</span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > > style=3D'color:black'> <br>
    > > > <br>
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    > > >   <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3Dsans-serif><span
    > > >   =
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;font-weight:=
    > > > bold'>Eddy
    > > >   Quicksall &lt;Eddy_Quicksall@ivivity.com&gt;</span></font></b><font
    > > >   color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >   =
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >   <p><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3Dsans-serif><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;
    > > >   font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>14-02-02 19:51</span></font><font
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    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >   =
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >   </td>
    > > >   <td valign=3Dtop style=3D'padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
    > > >   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span
    > > >   style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp; &nbsp;
    > =
    > > > &nbsp;
    > > >   &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'><br>
    > > >   </span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3Dsans-serif><span
    > > >   style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp; =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > >   &nbsp; To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Julian =
    > > > Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL</span></font><font
    > > >   color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
    > > >   </span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3Dsans-serif><span
    > > >   style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp; =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > >   &nbsp; cc: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >   style=3D'color:black'> <br>
    > > >   </span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3Dsans-serif><span
    > > >   style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp; =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > >   &nbsp; Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;FW: iSCSI: support value =
    > > > of ?</span></font><font
    > > >   color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
    > > >   <br>
    > > >   </span></font><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-size:
    > > >   7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
    > > > &nbsp;</span></font><font
    > > >   color=3Dblack><span =
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >   </td>
    > > >  </tr>
    > > > </table>
    > > >
    > > > <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
    > > > color=3Dblack
    > > > face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
    > > > <br>
    > > > </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
    > > > font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I didn't see any responses on this. Is =
    > > > the
    > > > &quot;?&quot; syntax of any good other than for vendor specific =
    > > > commands?</span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></f=
    > > > ont><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Eddy</span></fon=
    > > > t><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></f=
    > > > ont><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DTahoma><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
    > > > Message-----<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
    > > > From:</span></b> Eddy Quicksall =
    > > > [mailto:Eddy_Quicksall@ivivity.com]<b><span

    > > > style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
    > > > Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:29 PM<b><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-weight:
    > > > bold'><br>
    > > > To:</span></b> ips@ece. cmu. edu (E-mail)<b><span =
    > > > style=3D'font-weight:bold'><br>
    > > > Subject:</span></b> iSCSI: support value of ?</span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > > style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black;
    > > > mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Section 2.2.4 =
    > > > of draft
    > > > 10 says:</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> =
    > > > </span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span =
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DCourier><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>The value
    > > > &quot;?&quot; with any key has the meaning of enquiry and should =
    > > > be</span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DCourier><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black'>answered =
    > > > with the
    > > > current value or &quot;NotUnderstood&quot;.</span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > > style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black;
    > > > mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What good is =
    > > > this?</span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You should =
    > > > already know
    > > > the answer as a result of login or text =
    > > > negotiations.</span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here are the =
    > > > only keys
    > > > that can be used in FFP by the initiator:</span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > > style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black;
    > > > mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>1)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>SendTargets &#8211;
    > > > we already have defined behavior for that key and those get the =
    > > > information
    > > > anyway </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
    > > > windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>TargetName &#8211;
    > > > that is IO by initiator so he can't send that key anyway. Also, he has =
    > > > to
    > > > already know the target. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>3)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>TargetAlias &#8211;
    > > > &nbsp;&quot;this name MUST be communicated to the initiator during a
    > > > Login&quot;. So that is already known. </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>4)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>InitiatorAlias
    > > > &#8211; the initiator should already know his alias </span></font><font
    > =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>5)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>TargetAddress
    > > > &#8211; the target is the only one that can send this in a response =
    > > > </span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span =
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>6)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>MaxRecvPDULength
    > > > &#8211; this should be known from the negotiations </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span

    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>7)</span></font=
    > > > ><font
    > > > size=3D1 color=3Dblack><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;color:black'> =
    > > > &nbsp; &nbsp;
    > > > &nbsp; </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
    > > > style=3D'color:black'>Vendor
    > > > Specific &#8211; Could this be the reason? If so, lets say that so we =
    > > > don't have to
    > > > add a lot of silly code. Or, lets say that the response to =
    > > > &quot;?&quot; can be
    > > > &quot;Reject&quot; meaning that we don't support that syntax =
    > > > (currently, the
    > > > definition of the &quot;Reject value&quot; does not fit this). =
    > > > </span></font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span =
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></=
    > > > font><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
    > > > face=3DArial><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Eddy</span></fo=
    > > > nt><font
    > > > color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> </span></font><font =
    > > > color=3Dblack><span
    > > >
    > style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font>=
    > > > </p>
    > > >
    > > > </div>
    > > >
    > > > </body>
    > > >
    > > > </html>
    > > >
    > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B64A.37A65F90--
    > > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > ##################################
    > > Santosh Rao
    > > Software Design Engineer,
    > > HP-UX iSCSI Driver Team,
    > > Hewlett Packard, Cupertino.
    > > email : santoshr@cup.hp.com
    > > Phone : 408-447-3751
    > > ##################################
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