RE: SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for Participat ion

["Barry Reinhold" <bbrtrebia@mediaone.net>]

This idea has been discussed a number of times for a number of different
technologies. There are some issues (both operational and security) that
need to be worked out but I believe it can be made to work.

I propose that we have a round table on this one at the plugfest.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Young [mailto:dyoung@rhapsodynetworks.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:06 PM
>To: 'Barry Reinhold'; Zamer, Ahmad; 'Brian Pawlowski'
>Cc: Black_David@emc.com; ips@ece.cmu.edu
>Subject: RE: SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>Participat ion
>
>
>Is there any thought about making a longer term interoperability
>test setup
>on the Internet (make it private using VPN if security is a concern).
>Companies that build iSCSI switches can connect their gears to
>this network
>from their own facilities, same for storage device and HBA vendors.
>The current IOL or other organizations can manage the network and
>operation
>policy such as scheduling, addition and removal of equipments, etc.
>This is not my idea, just something I overheard in a storage conference.
>-dennis
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barry Reinhold [mailto:bbrtrebia@mediaone.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:55 AM
>>To: Zamer, Ahmad; 'Brian Pawlowski'
>>Cc: Black_David@emc.com; ips@ece.cmu.edu
>>Subject: RE: SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>>Participat ion
>>
>>
>>Having spent 10 years architecting and running the IOL I would
>>like to note
>>one thing. The issue about the "open" plugfest is really one
>>of costs. Not
>>the cost of the plugfest but of the iSCSI consortium itself. The iSCSI
>>consortium essentially produces services and tools to improve iSCSI
>>interoperability. The cost to cover this comes from membership
>>fees in the
>>iSCSI consortium. There is no profit in the IOL, so the flow of venture
>>capitol dollars is pretty low. The issue for the IOL is how to fund the
>>development.
>>When the plugfest is "open" the number of companies that join
>>the consortium
>>is small, as there is no real reason to join it until it offers testing
>>services (some development completes). This reduces the work being done
>>towards the development of an open conformance test, and other
>>interoperability tools and services -- dragging the process out longer.
>>Having watched this process over the years from the inside I
>>think we (the
>>iSCSI community) are better off if we require membership. This
>>way we all
>>have a hard core reason to pay the membership fee in a timely
>>manner. This
>>will get us tools and interoperability testing services sooner.
>>A compromise position might be to have membership required in
>>the first plug
>>fest but not in future ones. That way enough companies will
>>get involved in
>>the consortium that sufficient revenue is generated to ensure
>>that the work
>>moves forward but the overall process remains open. Future
>>membership will
>>be driven by the testing services that should then be in place.
>>There are other approaches, but based on my past experience, requiring
>>membership (and allowing some companies to request exceptions
>>through UNH)
>>is the best way to get this process moving.
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu [mailto:owner-ips@ece.cmu.edu]On Behalf Of
>>>Zamer, Ahmad
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:06 AM
>>>To: 'Brian Pawlowski'; Zamer, Ahmad
>>>Cc: Black_David@emc.com; ips@ece.cmu.edu
>>>Subject: RE: SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>>>Participat ion
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I recognize the overwhelming view that opening the plug fest
>>to all is a
>>>good idea and hereby reverse my previous position 180 degrees
>>to be exact.
>>>If so many people feel that an open event is good for all,
>>then it better
>>>be.
>>>
>>>Even I can see the light.
>>>
>>>I look forward to a successful plug fest next month.
>>>
>>>Ahmad Zamer
>>>Intel Corporation
>>>voice: 512-407-2155
>>>mail: ahmad.zamer@intel.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Brian Pawlowski [mailto:beepy@netapp.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:27 PM
>>>To: ahmad.zamer@intel.com
>>>Cc: Black_David@emc.com; ips@ece.cmu.edu
>>>Subject: Re: SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>>>Participat ion
>>>
>>>
>>>The UNH site for the event:
>>>
>>>	http://www.iol.unh.edu/consortiums/iscsi/jul01gtp.html
>>>
>>>dropped wording on requiring membership to any org as prerequisite for
>>>attendance.
>>>
>>>I assume this is what David was referring to regardless of the mail
>>>that was forwarded.
>>>
>>>Long live open protocols:-)
>>>
>>>beepy
>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> Just a clarification.
>>>>
>>>> The invitation sent out by Bill Lynn states that "This
>>event is open to
>>>all
>>>> IP Storage
>>>> > Forum members and there will be a nominal fee of $250.00
>>per engineer
>>>> > attending.  The current plan is to test to the iSCSI
>>draft standards
>>>> > versions 0.0 and 0.6.  Versions of FCIP and iFCP are TBD.
>> As this is a
>>>> > call
>>>> > for participation please respond with your company's intent to
>>>> > participate."
>>>>
>>>> Although opening the event to all may be a good idea, the
>>invitation did
>>>not
>>>> go that far.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ahmad Zamer
>>>> Intel Corporation
>>>> voice: 512-407-2155
>>>> mail: ahmad.zamer@intel.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Black_David@emc.com [mailto:Black_David@emc.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:10 PM
>>>> To: ips@ece.cmu.edu
>>>> Subject: RE: SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>>>> Participat ion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since this topic has surfaced on this list, it is
>>>> my understanding that this plugfest is now open to
>>>> all participants, not just SNIA or UNH iSCSI consortium
>>>> members.
>>>>
>>>> FYI and thanks,
>>>> --David
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> David L. Black, Senior Technologist
>>>> EMC Corporation, 42 South St., Hopkinton, MA  01748
>>>> +1 (508) 435-1000 x75140     FAX: +1 (508) 497-8500
>>>> black_david@emc.com       Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From:	julian_satran@il.ibm.com [SMTP:julian_satran@il.ibm.com]
>>>> > Sent:	Monday, June 18, 2001 1:42 PM
>>>> > To:	ips@ece.cmu.edu
>>>> > Subject:	SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>>>> > Participation
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear colleagues,
>>>> >
>>>> > I was asked by many of you what codes to use for the
>>plugfest. I think
>>>you
>>>> > would want to consider using the already published codes for 07
>>>(published
>>>> > on this list) as an alternative to 06.  The transition to
>>07 will be
>>>> > easier
>>>> > and you will
>>>> > have far less interoperability issues.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Julo
>>>> > ---------------------- Forwarded by Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM on
>>>18-06-2001
>>>> > 20:38 ---------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > "Lynn, Bill" <bill_lynn@btc.adaptec.com> on 23-05-2001 19:37:42
>>>> >
>>>> > Please respond to bill_lynn@btc.adaptec.com
>>>> >
>>>> > To:   "'snia-ipsforum@snia.org'" <snia-ipsforum@snia.org>
>>>> > cc:
>>>> > Subject:  SNIA-IPSFORUM: IP Storage Forum Plugfest, Call for
>>>Participation
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > IP Storage Forum Member
>>>> >
>>>> > The IP Storage Forum is pleased to announce the first IP
>>Storage Forum
>>>> > plugfest to be held on the 17th and 18th of July at the
>>University of
>>>New
>>>> > Hampshire's InterOperability Lab.  This event is open to
>>all IP Storage
>>>> > Forum members and there will be a nominal fee of $250.00
>>per engineer
>>>> > attending.  The current plan is to test to the iSCSI
>>draft standards
>>>> > versions 0.0 and 0.6.  Versions of FCIP and iFCP are TBD.
>> As this is a
>>>> > call
>>>> > for participation please respond with your company's intent to
>>>> > participate.
>>>> > Information we would like to know is:
>>>> >
>>>> >                                         Company Name
>>>> >                                         Contact Name
>>(email and phone
>>>> > number)
>>>> >                                         Number of
>>engineers attending
>>>> >                                         Number and types
>>of products to
>>>be
>>>> > tested
>>>> >                                         Protocol type and version
>>>> > implemented
>>>> >
>>>> > Logistical information should follow within the next two
>>weeks.  The
>>>goal
>>>> > of
>>>> > the plugfest is to do some low level protocol testing
>>along with some
>>>> > higher
>>>> > level system testing.  The information on types of products will
>>>determine
>>>> > the possible configurations we can construct.  Please
>>email the above
>>>> > information to -
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > bill_lynn@corp.adaptec.com <mailto:bill_lynn@corp.adaptec.com>
>>>> >
>>>> > If there are any questions please feel free to contact me at
>>>303-684-4706.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Bill Lynn
>>>> >
>>>> > Secretary
>>>> >
>>>> > SNIA IP Storage Forum
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > #### att1.htm has been deleted (was saved in repository
>>My Attachments
>>>> > Repository ->(Document link: Link to the attachment in
>>the repository))
>>>> > from this note on 11 June 2001 by Julian Satran
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>